I did a fanfuckingtastic thing

"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein) 09/16/2020 at 18:01 • Filed to: None

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Squee. I got me a new car that’s reliable, practical, affordable, equipped with many safety nannies, and has insanely good resale value. It’s also a complete riot. That’s right, I bought a 2020 Civic Si sedan in the proper blue color for Si heritage. Well, I’m picking it up tomorrow, but the deal’s done.

I finally decided it was time to move on from my 335xi before sinking any more money into it. The last straw for me was, a few weeks ago I was scooting around in it, and on a vigorous 1-2 shift I...pulled the shift knob clean off the shifter.

The boot was still attached to the knob, and I was like wtf how am I supposed to shift now, but I found a forum thread that said just slot it back on to the shifter and give it a good whack to make the clip latch back into place. This mostly worked, but it and the rest of the shifter in general are all feeling loose, and probably the whole mess needs new clips, bushings, etc. Thinking about yet another thing to fix, even something relatively minor, along with the likely imminent need for tires and brakes, made me say enough.

With the mods it would’ve been a good candidate for a private party sale, except for its checkered past with its not-original motor, and my having once rear-ended a dive bombing idiotic DC driver. I tried selling it last year and got nowhere. I also considered trading it in to dealers and was less than thrilled with their trade offers. But I got to thinking with covid, used car values are up, maybe I could at least get close to those offers a year later, so let’s see about trading it again.

I didn’t need a new new   car, but in this case, a new Si was by far the best option.

2020 is the last best year of the current generation Civic Si. The new generation Civic is coming out as an early 2022 model “next spring.” But the Si is taking the 2021 model year off. The 2020 Si gained several new things over previous years, none of which are major, but nonetheless desirable!

Black wheels that aren’t extra-special, but at least kinda cool for stock wheels, and the old ones were horrible.

LED headlights from the upper Civic trims instead of the lower trims’ uglier, dimmer halogen projectors.

More red interior accents including on the comfier-for-2020 seats. I didn’t know before trying a 2020 that the seats had been made comfier, but driving it, I thought they were comfier than I remembered of the 2019, and sure enough reviews of the 2020 mentioned new seat padding.

Little body color whiskers to break up the giant black plastic fake vents on the bumpers.

A shorter final drive ratio for more off-the-line acceleration.

HondaSensing safety nannies + active cruise control.

I’m not positive, but I think the gas pedal was moved closer to the driver. I thought heel-toeing the 2019 was garbage because the gas pedal was both tiny and set far back from the brake pedal. Many people agree this is a problem because there are multiple kits to move the gas pedal. I found heel-toeing the 2020 easier to accomplish but who knows. There’s no documentation of this.

Each of these upgraded something that bugged me about the 2019 Si that I tried last summer. Well, I didn’t need more red interior trim, but it’s lively, and the new seat padding is comfier. The shorter final drive hopefully won’t grate on me on the highway, but so far so good.

I did however really want my next car to have active cruise and that in itself makes a huge difference for me. Basically I wanted something comfier than my lowered E92, but still fun, and with newer tech features like active cruise and Android Auto. The 2020 Si is one of the only cars with a manual transmission and active cruise.

Since the 2020 model year is almost over, and the Si was by far the cheapest car I’ve gotten excited about, I decided now was the time to get one while they’re still available.

I’m very happy about this but instead of a full review, I’m sticking to the many things I love about the Si.

1. Fundamentally, it’s still a Honda Civic sedan.

I’ve driven many stupid impractical cars for many years. But I actually like practicality! When I drive whatever current mainstream late model car my wife’s in at the moment, or decent rental cars, I’m like, “man this sure is comfy and quiet and handy for my day to day activities!” Putting aside that you can’t get the Si as a hatch anyway, I think the sedan is the only current Civic shape that approaches being decent looking if done up right. The sedan is roomy front and back, the trunk is huge, the ergonomics rock, and there’s many ingenious cup holders and storage nooks and crannies! It’s simple and un-fussy and oh so functional. It’s also reliable and cheap to fix and holds its value insanely well.

Look at all the junk you could put in that trunk

2. It’s a fucking hoot to drive with serious performance that totally blows past its numbers on paper.

There’s nothing exotic about the Civic Si’s construction or specs that would make it seem all that great of a performance car. Except, it only weighs 2900 lbs. Objectively I’ve had way faster cars, but thanks in large part to that light weight and appropriate performance-y bits, the Si fun as hell at driving sportily in boring daily driver situations.

The 1.5T motor is dinky but punches above its weight just like my the first car I ever bought with my own money, my ’92 Integra GSR with its B17A VTEC powah! While the Si’s motor is a tuned-up version of the regular Civic’s 1.5T, for Si duty, it gets a bigger turbo shared with the CR-V, a different intake cam, higher-flow fuel injectors, beefier lower-compression pistons, and sturdier connecting rods.

With the light weight, short gearing, and LSD that will chirp both front tires on hard 1-2 shifts, the Si isn’t fast but it feels way quicker than you’d think from the numbers. Honestly, I don’t care about bench racing. My 335xi had roughly double the Si’s power, but the Si, regardless of numbers, feels quick & sporty enough for what it is, with legit off-the-line quickness and midrange punch, not at all like a normal econobox.

Where the light weight most shines through is handling. The steering has an extremely quick ratio and fantastic feel. Turn-in response is immediate. Balance in turns is fantastic. There’s a little body roll but not much. Body control from the adaptive dampers is really, really great. There’s no perceptible torque steer. In addition to chirping the tires on 1-2 shifts, the helical LSD lets you jump on the gas very early when powering out of corners, and contributes a lot to the feeling of loads of mechanical grip, even on the stock sporty all-season tires. There’s an option to upgrade to summer tires for $200, but I wanted the all-seasons so I could use them in DC’s generally mild winters and next spring I’ll buy cooler/wider wheels and proper summer tires.

The shifter is loads better than the Veloster N that I test drove before deciding to buy the Si.

Above all else, I want a car to be fun in normal regular-ass driving. The Si more than delivers.

3. Even with all that fun, the ride stays plenty comfy including in sport mode.

The Si doesn’t ride like a luxury car, but it does ride like a moderately firmer version of a typical mainstream car with plenty of suspension travel. Coming from my long history of lowered performance cars, this feels great, especially for the amount of fun the Si is to drive so much of the time. The adaptive dampers keep things planted in turns and provide suppleness over bumps. Just being able to drive a sporty grippy car with zero crashiness over bumps is a win to me. I love these dampers.

4. Unlike the Type-R, the Si is the proper amount of stupid for a sporty Civic.

Like all current-generation Civics, the Si looks like a robot, but a little more robot-y than the regular version. It’s not crazy, covered in tacked-on aero bits (other than the trunk spoiler), and is made less crazy by the fact that Civic sedans are plentiful. The sedan’s styling is the more graceful than the smushy hatch or the just-plain-weird coupe with its compromised back seat. The 2020 styling updates are subtle, but welcome. The LED headlights are much more attractive, the little whiskers of color break up the fake bumper vents, and the wheels go from atrocious to above average.

The seats are way bolster-y and super cool looking (now with red accent stitching instead of light gray accent stitching!) and continue a long line of neato OE Honda sport seats that aren’t quite full racing seats. I love them. They’re glorious cloth! There’s fake carbon fiber on the dash, several new-for-2020 red accents, the gauges go red in sport mode, and there are a small number of Si logos. The shift knob is cool but you need to cover it with a towel in the summer when you park outside because it’s real aluminum, and the steering wheel is nearly as girthy as a BMW.

It has giant single center-mounted exhaust tip shaped like an HDMI port.

5. It has *just enough* equipment.

The Si is by no means loaded up, and it’s missing many table-stakes luxury features, but it’s pretty solid with what it offers in tech and livability.

Very comfy bolster-y seats, with heaters

Dual-zone auto climate control

Multi-angle backup camera + LaneWatch passenger side mirror camera

Honda Sensing active safety nannies + active cruise

Android Auto & Apple CarPlay

Full LED headlights

The upgraded stereo from the upper Civic trims with an amp & more speakers sounds good enough to not feel like I’m stuck with crappy base model economy car speakers.

The gauges have a center screen with fun shit like a boost gauge and g-meter and shift lights, and will display Google Maps from Android Auto (which is really necessary because when you put on your right turn signal the LaneWatch display takes over the main dash screen)

Auto-dimming mirror (this was a dealer accessory but gotta have it)

Mother. Fucking. Sunroof.

6. Any knocks against it can be responded to with BUT DAT PRICE THO.

Including destination, the sticker price on the Si is $26,155 . It’s the cheapest brand new car you can buy with an LSD and adaptive shocks, not to mention sunroof and active cruise.

Nothing else in the hot hatch/sport compact segment really grabbed me like the Si. Other cars like the WRX or GLI may have similar starting prices, but no active cruise on the GLI, and the WRX only gets it with the CVT. The next-cheapest car of any type with a stick shift and active cruise is the GTI Autobahn which stickers at an eye-watering $37,415. That’s as much as the much-faster Civic Type-R, but going that route over the Si means losing the sunroof, heated seats & Honda Sensing.

The various HyunKia 1.6T cars can be had in this price range with loads of features including active cruise—the Kia Forte GT being the best bang for the buck—but with their open differentials and much less capable chassis I never seriously considered them. That platform even in Veloster N form is, in my opinion, not as good to drive as the Si, and I disliked the Veloster form factor just about as much as I expected to dislike it.

The only thing is, don’t expect to get much of a discount on a 2020 Si if you rush out to buy one while they’re still available. I shopped around multiple dealers and all gave me the same story about the Si being a hot seller, the 2020 being a one-and-done, and they’re not going to knock much money off the last few examples . At the very least, I paid below sticker, and got 2.42% for 60 months financing on the small-ish loan I took out after using my paid off 335xi as a down payment. But I’m not mad because even at sticker price the Si is a crazy value.

Anyway...

As you can see from my rantings above, the Si is far from the move only because of its price. There’s a ton I love about it, including the price. The only other cars I got excited about during this whole process were a Kia Stinger GT2 RWD, or Camaro 2SS 1LE. They’re both wildly different cars from the Si and each other. The only thing those two have in common is they’re rwd, with sticker prices 2x the Si, although they can be had at deep discounts that still would’ve been a lot more than I paid for the Si. Which is one of the reasons the Si is the most rational stupid car in my history of only ever buying stupid cars.

Most importantly, thanks to covid, I managed to get just as much for my trade as dealers were offering me a year ago. After all the hassle from that 335xi, which I still loved anyway, I’m glad to have managed to enjoy it for the time I owned it, but still get out of it with a clean break and into something I know will be much less frustrating.

Buying this 2020 Si now, without going into every specific detail, works much better financially than if I had traded the 335xi in on a 2019 Si a year ago. Plus the 2020 Si is much better than the 2019, to me at least.

The only slight doubt in my mind is what the next Si might end up being. Sure, it could suck, but it could be even better. All I know is, I was ready to get out of my 335xi now, this 2020 Si really does rock, and that’s good enough for me. Besides, if the new one turns out to be less good, I’d be kicking myself for not snagging a 2020 when I could get a brand new blue one with an unmolested front bumper and a warranty, from a local dealer.

I’m picking it up tomorrow, because I insisted on getting a blue Si sedan with no front plate bracket screwed into the front bumper. The dealer I bought from had one in stock with a front plate bracket, and what became my car was in transit. They let me drive the one in stock and put a deposit on the in-transit one to make sure it stayed free of the front plate bracket and any other dealer tacked-on bullshit like edge guards. The car arrived yesterday, was PDI’d today, and they’re putting the auto-dimming mirror in tomorrow once the parts arrive.

As soon as I take it home, I’m popping on these smoked sidemarkers and amber LED bulbs to ditch the orange ones, and I have an appointment at a tint shop for 50% crystalline film on all the windows minus the windshield (don’t tint windshields on cars with active safety nannies, not even clear film for heat rejection!), plus wrapping the chrome trim along the top of the windows in flat black. I hate that chrome.

For me, this Si is coming full circle in my history of cars. I was a broke college kid when I bought my ’92 Integra GSR way back in 2001, and thanks to being a broke college kid I didn’t get to keep it nearly as long as I would’ve liked. I ended up selling it to keep financially afloat, then went car-less for a while before I bought my ’99 10th Anniversary Edition Miata. So it’s not like I suffered, but I still feel a lot of what-ifs about that GSR. The Si is like that old GSR, but in an immensely more modern, practical, fast, grippy, comfy, safe, and tech’ed-out-enough package. Now I’m in a financial position where I can keep it, maintain it, and hook it up just right. Looking at hop up parts for Hondas is so reassuringly affordable compared to BMWs and other higher-end cars I’ve owned or considered buying.

Kinda feels good to be home. Yippy skippy.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 18:17

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Congratulations!!!  That is a fantastic car, in particular I love the blue. And it sounds like you already have some nice, tasteful mods planned for it. 

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 18:34

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Awesome, congrats! :D

But, it does have the super shitty electronic parking brake :/

I HATE electronic parking brakes...
“A handle and a cable are too simple and reliable, that’s take an uncomplicated thing and make it more prone to failure and expensive replacement parts!” :/

jminer > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 18:35

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Very nice!

I’ll admit I feel the opposite way that you do about adaptive cruise. I hate it on highway trips, maybe I drive too aggressively though as I’d like to use my speed to move around a slow car instead of match speed with the slow car.

Shane Moore > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 18:36

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Nice! Great write up and choice on vehicle. Although I feel we should become all-time rivals  if I get the Veloster N. 

CompactLuxuryFan > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 18:37

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Very nice! Actually surprised nobody else in here  has one (?)

EL_ULY > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 18:45

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chingon dude!!!!

Nom De Plume > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 18:52

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tl;dr Walloftext I couldn’t be bothered with.

Honda’s have groupies?  And they’re into you?  Enjoy.

gettingoldercarguy > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 18:58

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Awesome car.

https://dsportmag.com/the-tech/showcase/2019-honda-civic-si-sedan-exhaust-showcase/

Textured Soy Protein > Shane Moore 09/16/2020 at 19:02

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You will definitively beat me in a straight line if you do. 

Textured Soy Protein > gettingoldercarguy 09/16/2020 at 19:04

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If/when I do exhaust I’m keeping the stock downpipe because even catted ones don’t clean out the pollution like stock, as penance for the catless DP that I put on my 335xi. Most likely will do the Remark catback which is both the cheapest and one of the more mature sounding choices , plus an MAPerformance front pipe, because there’s no cat in the stock front pipe so I won’t feel guilty about hurting mother nature. 

Textured Soy Protein > CompactLuxuryFan 09/16/2020 at 19:05

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I think there might be one or two?

gettingoldercarguy > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 19:08

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https://gsportbygesi.com/high-performance-catalytic-converters/g-sport-emissions-systems-products/

Not cheap, but the right way to do it.

Cash Rewards > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 19:13

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I had a base trim civic, but got rid of it for the leaf. Wasn’t getting 40mpg in beltway traffic. So I bought an electric commuter in time to not commute.

But great purchase, congrats!

dumpsterfire! > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 19:15

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Excellent work! I am having similar thoughts about my own 335xi, but am having a hard time getting out of that semi-emotionally abusive relationship.  

Textured Soy Protein > gettingoldercarguy 09/16/2020 at 19:32

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The main cat on this car is part of the downpipe. Can’t just weld in a cat, need to buy a downpipe. There are a few downpipes available with similar cats to the one you linked. I haven’t *completely* ruled that idea out but I’m skeptical that a high flow cat that’s noticeably smaller than the one in the stock downpipe would filter pollution as well as a stock piece that’s subject to emissions laws.

ranwhenparked > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 19:45

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Those do look like really comfy seats, don’t know why I never realized the Si was that plush

TechJunky > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 19:46

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Congrats! I’ve had mine 2.5 years and I’m still thoroughly enjoying it. The stock tires aren’t great, but they do the job well enough. Aside from that, I really do love everything about mine.

gettingoldercarguy > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 19:48

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Anything with a gesi cat will be turbo expensive. I can show you a cat from decades ago that’ll convert like shit compared to these. It’s bigger though.

Plus, it's hard for manufacturers to use the absolute best in every part offering and still keep their manufacturing costs down.

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 19:51

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I think the Si has sort of matured with us (like as in our ‘ age group’ ). It was great when we were younger being the inexpensive but well performing all from the EG to the FG with the exception of that North American  neutered EP3. While great cars being the ‘teg and the RSX are long gone, the Si still soldiers on for Honda.

I lamented when they went K20 to K24 and then to Turbo . T he truth is though,   if my ‘05 C- XRS was written off tomorrow, it’s the closest modern replacement and would be on my short list for a more modern car.

Good buy, do approve.

feather-throttle-not-hair > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 19:53

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Congrats! A former co-worker traded in his newish mustang for a ‘19 si Coupe and loves it. Same color as yours. He owned a couple of late model GTi’s before the mustang GT and i’m pretty sure the Civic is his favorite of the bunch. He mentioned that there are moments where the Si actually feels quicker than the Mustang GT felt.

The current civic isn’t my cup of tea styling wise, but it’s 100 percent in that category of “I don’t really care, i’d still own one.” Good on you for getting a sedan, I feel like half the appeal of the car is that it’s not asking for a lot of compromises when it comes to practicality.

functionoverfashion > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 20:03

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Fantastic, I’ve always liked the Si, it’s a great combination of things, maybe one that’s better than the sum of its parts. Enjoy it! 

Textured Soy Protein > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 09/16/2020 at 20:18

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I actually don’t mind the electric parking brake because it makes room for the giant movable reconfigurable center armrest console.

Textured Soy Protein > jminer 09/16/2020 at 20:22

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Generally on highway trips if it's a nice open road I'm more just settling in somewhere around 8 mph over the limit unless I'm in a particular hurry. I don't want to camp out behind slower cars. I love active cruise because it saves me from repeatedly tapping the decel button as I approach slower moving traffic. The car slows itself down and then I can plot my next move to get around them.

Textured Soy Protein > functionoverfashion 09/16/2020 at 20:23

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That’s pretty much how it feels to me. There's no one thing about it that's super special but as a total package it really comes together.

Manny05x > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 20:28

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Congrats! The SI is a great car and awesome write up.

412GTI > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 20:30

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Congrats! I do miss my 8th gen Si from time to time. Great simple yet fun car and the resale value was indeed awesome. I might have got for a 10th if they were out in 2017

notsomethingstructural > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 20:32

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Congrats, dude. I’m getting closer on mine too! I think I’m gonna lowball a new old stock 2019 Mazda 3 premium tomorrow. That thing has got to be  headed to auction in a month, they might be in the mood to make a deal. 

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 20:40

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.....but no handbrake turns :(

Textured Soy Protein > feather-throttle-not-hair 09/16/2020 at 20:41

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Sedan was always the move for me with the Si because the coupe isn't good looking enough to justify giving up the sedan's super roomy back seat. I got my 335xi as a coupe because I thought the E92 was sooooo much better looking than the slightly awkward E90 sedan. But with this generation of Civic I think the sedan looks best anyway. It's not gorgeous, but once I take care of the amber side markers and that chrome window trim it'll look pretty clean. Even better with wheels and a drop which will come later. Most likely will refrain from any lips, skirts, etc. Most of that stuff I've seen doesn't really add to the overall attractiveness.

avalonian > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 20:47

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Sou nd es like an awesome car, I hope you enjoy it. And windshield tint isn’t that bad . Is 50% the legal limit in D.C? 

CompactLuxuryFan > jminer 09/16/2020 at 21:15

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Depends where you live and where you’re driving! It’s a godsend on California’s relatively wide, relatively hilly, and relatively high traffic freeways. Four lanes or more yet t here are very few chances to go around people unless you’re being really aggressive. S o it’s nice to just get behind someone and not have to worry about them constantly varying speed when going up and down hills, curves, etc. And then there’s actual stop and go traffic.

It is annoying when the road is clearer and I am going to go around. I have to start going around way sooner than I would have before so the car doesn’t start slowing down. Overall the benefits far outweigh the negatives.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 21:25

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I personally would get the coupe if possible for the note toned down styling but I love that car, especially in that blue color. Is it as good of a sporty daily as they say?

shop-teacher > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 21:53

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Solid purchase.

Arrivederci > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 21:57

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Congrats!  There’s a lot to like with the little Si sedan.  

AdamB > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 22:12

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Congratulations! The Si really does look a lot better than the Type R. My cousin actually just bought a coupe after his Accord was totaled. They look really good. How’s the rev hang? It seems like so many people complain about it.

Textured Soy Protein > avalonian 09/16/2020 at 22:59

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I live in Maryland just outside DC. The law is "greater than 35%" which most people interpret as 35%. I just like 50%. I figure my lack of front plate is already an excuse for cops to hassle me so if I do 50% I can be seen from outside the car which reduces cop attention. I also just like how it looks.

Textured Soy Protein > AdamB 09/16/2020 at 23:03

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I haven't really been bothered by it in my limited time driving it so far. I know it's supposed to be there but I think it's something where driving technique can adapt to it alright.

Textured Soy Protein > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 09/16/2020 at 23:05

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I don't particularly like the looks of the coupe. I actually prefer the sedan and it's way roomy in back. I think it will be a solid sporty daily, that's pretty much exactly why I bought it. Convenient and practical but fun for putting around town.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Textured Soy Protein 09/16/2020 at 23:31

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The first part seems to be personal preference but in glad it is the fun practical four door sports car everyone said it is. 

pip bip - choose Corrour > Textured Soy Protein 09/17/2020 at 00:15

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congrats. 

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > Textured Soy Protein 09/17/2020 at 06:18

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Your excitement and description have me thinking that your car could be a serious option if I had to replace my 2016 GTI. Sounds like an outstanding value and fun to drive. I would miss the hatchback, although I’m willing to give that up for the right car. Fortunately I don’t have to make that decision right now. 

Great write up. As one former I ntegra owner to another, enjoy!

PG; the scalpel wielder > Textured Soy Protein 09/17/2020 at 08:11

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This is really funny because my mate made the same move from his manual 335i coupe. He was getting over the n54 life as well.

I’m still finding it hard to let go of the 135i though, and have it booked for diff bushings now. I’ve had the gearknob come off once before with a vigorous shift into 3rd, but it just slotted back in and never happened again

3point8isgreat > Textured Soy Protein 09/17/2020 at 08:43

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Congrats on an awesome car! Always thought these were an amazing value for what you get. Like the perfect sporty DD.

W as my #2 choice when car shopping last year. But the dealer wasn’t going to have another in stock for a month or so.

So I ended up with the Veloster N. I found i really liked the goofiness of the veloster. Both in looks and stuff like its absurd exhaust. 100% agree on the shifter though. I was considering short throw shifters almost immediately upon buying it.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Textured Soy Protein 09/17/2020 at 11:10

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Congrats on getting And roid auto...and the car that came with it ;)

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Textured Soy Protein 09/17/2020 at 12:54

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No manual shifter can match Honda’s. Not even an old six-figure exotic car (can’t speak for the 7-figure vintage cars, though).

You literally get one of the world’s finest, most satisfying driving interfaces on an affordable, practical car.

Textured Soy Protein > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 09/17/2020 at 13:03

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Totally agree with you on the shifter, particularly for fwd/transverse awd . I’d put Mazda rwd shifters in the same category. That’s kinda the overall vibe with the Si - the numbers are nothing impressive but it just feels so good to drive. 

B/Xmrrmvr > Textured Soy Protein 09/17/2020 at 15:34

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The shifter is loads better than the Veloster N that I test drove before deciding to buy the Si.

Have you noticed any rev-hang with the Si? I’ve been interested in both of these cars but there seems to be a lot of complaints about the Si and its rev-hang .

Textured Soy Protein > B/Xmrrmvr 09/17/2020 at 15:47

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In the couple times I’ve test driven them it wasn’t particularly noticeable to me, but unfortunately I won’t be able to provide much insight on it on account of this...

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/might-be-a-lil-bit-before-i-can-actually-drive-my-new-c-1845091820

Personally I think the rev hang thing is overblown by people who think they know how to drive stick but aren’t very good at it.

Not saying I’m the best driver ever, but I at least try to be smooth, match revs, heel toe, etc. I’ve been driving stick for 19 years and very early on I took pains to read about good technique and try to teach myself. Far too often when I’ve ridden with other people driving stick, I’m like, man this person is trash at shifting.

In the couple times I have driven an Si, I didn’t notice rev hang, but I haven’t been looking out for it. T he first time I hadn’t read about the rev hang, kinda went into the test drive with no expectations and was pleasantly surprised with how much I liked the car. This most recent time was not an extensive drive, just enough to re-familiarize myself with it before deciding to buy.

So, I think r ev hang is a behavior that a decent enough driver will adjust their shifting technique around with little to no thought given to it. I may well have done so without even realizing it.

B/Xmrrmvr > Textured Soy Protein 09/17/2020 at 17:09

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Thanks for the reply and I hope you get better soon!

Textured Soy Protein > 3point8isgreat 09/17/2020 at 17:28

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Veloster N is good. I didn’t particularly like it for myself but I totally get why others would like it. I wanted a comfier ride, and didn’t like the visibility plus lack of sunroof. I could maybe deal with the rear window if it had a sunroof like the Veloster Turbo Ultimate but I’m big on having an open feeling in my cars and the Veloster body with no sunroof ain’t my cup o tea. 

SlickMcRick > Textured Soy Protein 10/02/2020 at 00:33

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Another manual has been saved! Congrats on the purchase. I’ve never driven the Si and wish I maybe had during my time searching for a new car. Would up with a 19 GLI with a steep covid discount. Got it before the stimulus check and unemployment so they were desperate. Got a GLI S for the price of a 2020 base Jetta. Living the car so far. Haven't had any issues in 18k miles, 10k of which I've been tuned. Maybe I'll see you around the road in DC.